Mustard & Johnson Podcast – Greg Hardy a lightning rod for passionate opinions …

Other hours ago mustard and Johnson and BC football coming your way and don’t care what’s what’s happening after. The NBC Eagles and NC state wolfpack will be degree day card and you know he’s doing it Scooby Doo it’s going to be an extended Bruins pre game show he’s Ike I can tell you right now deity it’s thing. About the way the Bruins are playing in the last couple games big showdown tonight. Against the hunter of York and I think another thing to immediate talk about on the street and hockey pundits around here say. Deceit I would say game communion the other night now by Patrick how talented you and I agree that he’s a young troopers dies you have to be patient and put up of them and what you all the whispers. He was. Friends and at that it’s it’s amazing how damaged control. Pervades astound you and you’re you’re so hot again. To get these type of super stylist economy and and like at the monitor our game tonight should be a great. Game enough BC game I gave the orchid a lot of credit that portal John I like him along I only saw him in the second half but pour les. Are accurate with the passes for the ball he’s just comment on. But they’re going up against North Carolina State quarterback Colby. Riff that he’s 64 to 35. And he’s top draft prospect this year big kid so that’ll be coming up after Ross and meanwhile. Larry taking nothing for granted. Highly anticipated I got to upgraded by Patrick down in Connecticut screaming at me for not appreciate I am just embodies its anger to where I was putting under the I was there in nineteen mind you if you want our fifth Asian appreciate what you have now OK but you know I’ve been appreciated for the last fifteen years but basically there which brought up that board and I wanted us this is this is you know that my allegiances. Miraculously went from the Red Sox and the Yankees. Somewhere in the mid ninety’s for a variety of reasons not the obvious why don’t want you making assumptions that his jump ship at nothing to do with that a lot of things going but anyway. Ice though we say back in the Yankee glory days which in the last couple years obviously you stated that you knew they are going to them through the playoffs every year. Okay and I always felt OK enough of this a 162. Game schedule enough already they’ve proven themselves they can we imagine the regular season a fact let’s get to the post season ticket board member of beer Cayman yes well super venue and appreciate finding my when he came and unfortunately. On a Sunday night at Fenway Park with a three nothing lead in the series in a 43 lead of the game I wasn’t bored. I was never avoid a trip to watch excellent and right it would if you get them he’s a superstar players come in and for in the blowing them. Think you’re crazy cold reason his last run appreciate it right you have to see Larry. And the Yankees in the in the patriots are obviously first cousins when it comes through dynasties as much as Red Sox fans and patriot fans don’t wanna hear that they’re very similar. They’re reviled around the league they’re consistent winners there they are year in and year route. And so. For Yankee fans the experiences. We know they’re gonna win in the regular season they’re gonna get their acts together when all is said and done and that that last pitch is thrown the last out was recorded in the regular season yankees can be here for the post season. We know that’s going to be the case this year we seems sixteen and now. We wanna see something else this year well like I’m I’m enjoying the trip. OK you like the jury your I don’t yeah very philosophical worry shortest and. Away non not at all my but I like I like the foliage. Six patents and at 77. I don’t like always ready if you take a look at all brow these days. All of Westfield your extra beat or are you a personal problem. I. I knew that was gonna come out around so to speak Paul west who your next that Sports Radio. Yeah that’s really funny that we began approaching. And there is deciding what we have with city. Forget it and I think that’s an alcohol and drug women are attacked the report. That is not emergent group I think we might have a little bit of a violent aggression problems. Yeah I think where you were are the most violent society on earth are we supposed to be the most civilized we’re also the most violent. Weblog that a bit too quick bumper stickers the first quarter. Up the crime younger though had a policy where the court goes the player goes so we opposite. It’s not about the time when she walked we stay at. The league is George right yeah these young quick point. Rob I’m every time someone made a mistake and then something like this ferocious example. And they were forced out of the job we have a fifteen chip in accordingly and not on the Jerry Jones is the other point. I’ve been absent this my whole life when you’re in street opened signal with our and so what you’re seeing the pictures action you disturb. Yeah Jones. Picked them up about a year after the NC. When you’ve got to sit it bomber caught up or forties we appreciate yet you ridiculous. That’s true that’s an old dusty knows online yet I date eight yes the difference so do you think Jerry Jones picked him not because he was threatening to. How would save them you reach a deal him why he picked a Ray Rice this is a redemption narrative Larry don’t you know that guy you know quite well when he picked up — Ray Rice well you know it’s interesting couple text is pointing that out as we’ve been discussed. Ray Rice unlike Greg Hardy. Has been contrite. Has done all the right things has gone to counseling has done a violence rehab or whatever it’s called. He’s done everything he can hand. To redeem himself the put him back in the good graces of the National Football League. And why are the interest and disease doesn’t run as well as the use the right because he’s no longer the player he once was we all have to admit that Greg Hardy Ken. Wreak Havoc on a football got a real problem that isn’t there a problem as he wreaks Havoc off the football field as well that’s the visas 61777979837. We go to Carl in the car is next on Sports Radio. Carl. Are you don’t say okay so I had built in that he. Criminal it’s I’ve handled. I love. Domestic violence case in the system the justice functional. There was nothing to protect the moment none of them being up and then I mean just consistently excellent for a rich and as one of the pork. I want to open ended march. Lumped rich at least a moment a little bit of money check back on what they have some of these programs but generally mostly most time not really really happen. In terms. Our attention to invest warming and sealed the court debt. Can you tell me the difference we talk about this all the time and you might may or may not only teach. During the week at Wellesley high school we took a lot about. Our socioeconomic issues now class division not just race division but class division. Really does tell all about a society what is the difference between. A person of lower socioeconomic background coming in with the spousal abuse case as opposed to one hires of socioeconomic background. No communication and broken problem. It is no longer schedule for the woman could not allowed to overcome the problem because. I’m Lou the 1 who I am really ultimately it’s should be addressed a problem with demand as well who do what the moment is that. They definitely attitude I’m just I guess you guys. Do you have a woman who. Cast children armed bodyguard mean in either home because she’s you know I don’t welfare course you have no job and he’s the main breadwinner. She’s not going to testify against him because the go to jail right there were kids yeah where she gonna live. There’s not a good idea of an open open with a much of a concern that somebody like that. It’s just gonna help and young women who Apollo. Understand the situation and understand and make something happen to have the presence there and wanted to give people an inch and a report a car. And how about the fear element of a coming forward. The fear element for a woman. Well it depends on again there’s there’s there’s too much at the power. I am not a movement and Newt Gingrich for example you know. You mentioned and you do I am who I am. Who who abuse and yes bunch of people I mean. You know the company were when you get a whole bunch of and actually do and what were the beast right I’m no compunction right okay we don’t have any integrity they don’t have any credibility. I don’t I wouldn’t want to get me because it was lipped out actually right. You know so you know move you know. Yeah yeah. It’s a dilemma. Not a lot. You know and and women. I actually. Our underground. When exactly thank you could and knew him and you become victims just a her name to call somebody when you move our debt at movie. Based on your emotional. Attachment to someone who do you news. Carl from your perspective I know you’re not necessary a specifically familiar with the party case but how does this how does his ex girlfriend. Opted into this battered woman syndrome. Well. My side my take on it and I’m Adam acute combat you that this is not a because she’s well. I didn’t combatant and should be marked as well I don’t agree that you wish you’d been abused. Its. The guy who’s. Got a lot of money. He would system he would look at. The best. She who don’t speak at duke pitched. Under the system. Yeah and a bit and it’s. Okay that’s fine if you don’t go root them in and mr. It was him time and when and and and and you know nothing from the time. Problem between comic book. And these women. Right and that’s him in the big. I’m anxious to do that and then this equipment to supposedly do them again and so we can get. A 100000 registered to him. I’m on that maybe wouldn’t it. Nobody community and of itself. So Cowell if you unlike Chris Conner who had an opportunity to TARP to the body young aspiring college athlete he’s getting ready to going to the pros. If you did have a chance to council some of these young men to avoid some of these situations what would you tell them. I was told them not to be like the writers that you like thank you saw. You know and not an opera but it didn’t use it you know call everybody. You know there is no there’s no — no excuse for. And pour into I’m. Look everybody sees hypocrisy at all while you are always been good preliminary property judges always down to the regular street criminal. Everybody understands that hypocrisy. And that yeah definitely you know people are stupid that he was going on but I want to have these kids. And up. You know you don’t put you have him on Mon. You don’t tight and you want you know you have to people who vignettes teach respect your. You know human being in. If you do get that crops people. Then you don’t know my only to have this problem. But the problem is that everybody and keep everybody hanging hypocrisy in the talks introduced you know in addition to deliver a Mitch. If you mean we continue to kill him you wouldn’t want these new programs they have better. That they don’t. I wouldn’t have a degree. In the program and just government program you know live and don’t don’t don’t get me. You know it was gone completely loses ground into an eating gluten was six months until week they’ve done OK you can come back did you say they will. We don’t have good what do Obama will ultimately be handling the he out there on her own didn’t convert to empower. Right. You don’t write. And sheltered. Due to find any help when it was gonna do that program every minute can have a moment it was soccer. And protection they don’t really believe that that it’s ever gonna happen and I. And many detection and have the money to all of them in particular has been mostly Riley couldn’t. I’m in big guys in the guys are not limited to debilitated. Them but couldn’t release about how we ultimately didn’t let me give me. Exactly and restraining orders don’t seem to work we’ve seen so many people violate those and it’s it’s tragic and John I mean she’s Karl I really appreciate it thanks I felt really good stuff they are great insight. Someone inside the court system 617. 7797937. We’ll take a break come back when Moyer coarsely it’ll noon on Sports Radio. Just what I begin to thank the cowboys can’t possibly sink any lower they can’t fall from grace and more than they have. They find another shovel and dig a few feet deeper funny how so many things would pass on such a great talent. Only because he beat up his former girlfriend. But you’re cowboys didn’t. And so many of you we’re so happy I don’t care how good he is I don’t care if the cowboys did a great deal and I absolutely don’t care about the argument so many of you make. That what he does off the field just doesn’t matter if he can help you win on the field. Is there are no lie and you won’t cross is there no crime you won’t accept is there are no behavior you will not tolerate. The great dale Hansen we talked about it earlier you probably heard that already that was actually in March Larry. When the news came down that the cowboys signed regarding. After his suspension was reduced to four by the the arbiter. And of course says Jerry Jones still very defensive about Greg parties situation saying that he deserves a second chance he sensitive. To spousal abuse and all of the outrage that is going on on an all great party really had to do as much as this is outrageous. Is just be somewhat contrite not that it would could and we’re not gonna condone what happened com and we’re certainly gonna continue. I ought to be outraged Jerry Jones and everybody else for allowing this guy to be employed. But couldn’t he at least. Tempered this thing a little bit alleviate the outrage with some sort of remorseful behavior or at least one remorseful statement. I just don’t know what else to sky condone that they would upset Terry because when he was. Interrupt in the coach’s meeting on the sidelines and that was okay which areas now these photos come out that’s okay were Jerry everything’s okay with him look like the brackets act plays do you think that now that we have the visual evidence and I applaud Jackie McMillan for making that — — we always that signal and wept. Ryan fits that errors occur Patrick I don’t know. Is it no Snyder guard. She. After Iraq while the dragon finalists to what you correctly. The air I’m sorry sir you’re trying to help you are doing that through glass and I’m glad I have so many mistakes I don’t solemn you do if your perfect you don’t even have to raise the home that’s what I say Jackie back anyway Jackie Mac it is great point. And around the wars around the horn is that yes Anderson I never ESP we have. The anyway. I made a great point that why we always need to visual evidence Y two witnesses a this is an epidemic in this country domestic violence we know what happens. To a disturbing percentage in the National Football League now were exploding without outrage. Because we see the evidence we didn’t think this was actually a reality before then and I I agree with their whole heartedly. Happily writes Adam Peterson and now once we see the evidence is no question about it this is a terrible tragedy. I think we have to trust these women. And an in trust the people there are making these accusations that more. Quite more often than not they’re very much accurate 6177797937. Steve you’re next on Sports Radio morning Steve. Going to test its urgent call older but I. Feel the need to. Right. We should. Have been cut in all a bit of all of for the first year I would beg anyone. One at a young guy. Walked in there ought not to be but I actually in the album. What the heck was that on the side of might I quite. I’ll let broke out at a web app she acknowledged there and play on late I inaudible. Two weeks later I’m an at bat bat where do you read the girl’s. I wake up I’m putting my shouldn’t aren’t we Bob Beckel I’d much doubt all of how about the ball might fit a Michael I won’t call it the real kick. It came to. Want to know what I would all but don’t put Koppel in a hot and I bet that. I can probably get it at their upcoming public figure until now widgets like that a couple of weeks late I won’t tolerate. But the other obvious that it ought good. Luck. Opinion at all but I liked. Oh. These people he took them. Dating bill. Go up now in the coal hole. Why do you call it. Why do you think she’s right she worked out they just wouldn’t but the she would all all all our. That doesn’t matter where she was. Okay and it went. Off. It. Well but what. Welker so she’s out and cholera your comments to check it read in Delaware what she’s out there and your sources indicate what what why was she out there because he just wanted to go to a party instant test the buying the I. Why you figure it. I feel I. She is hurting other the bat the bat you haven’t got one or twenty minutes are not figured it would Greg Kot I don’t like it. She’s not war he’s not letting it that they act casual relationship at all at once. He should teach people a pop. Right and I can’t great will agree honestly if I don’t agree on best I don’t know why light or we would like to believe that she could have showed up. And testified against him but you don’t think that she was in fear for her life are you kidding me. I finish but I’m sure you’re not you’ll see these follow all that the police say they took her. Shot the guy. He called. It a gut that I believe he and it. Actual outreach are meant that there are salt and something else mentioned the need people. It. Struck Shia. I think he also friend who belong to get that tragic. So you’re saying that when you say the party had the law manipulated against him I’ll I actually. Allow it. What was your react when state Steve what was your reaction. I think I know we are rock what was your reaction to the finals. Yet although my wife. And cheek that he act up the whole. So while that got a body on other than a body found in a garbage you’ve been up and nothing would convince you about. Tomorrow at a trial. And then he could he. Directed. Acker that the fight it out. Well I’ve heard split on that I’ve heard people say they don’t ever say they don’t. Well we just talked to a couple people did you listen to Karl Karl who works in the court system said they needed the eyewitness testimony I am going to take. His words Steve unfortunately. Over yours Danny Quinn is the your next on Sports Radio WEEI. Boycott the same way back to the toy department but I’ll try. Well unfortunately Danny in you of all people should know this did win the toy department is threatened. By overwhelming stories such as this in every now and then you have to address that or you eventually will lose out toward the problem. I don’t complain that you talked about it I didn’t wanna talk but back to the tour department you don’t mind going and that that’s that’s what I would govern from what I hear you it. I don’t want anyone faced. Credit what are you doing to me what he’s 1 o’clock spot looks like I. Think about it every every Sunday we get a wanna it you know why this goes back to the conversation about football that Larry I’ve had. Why they’ve played 1 o’clock game you know why they’re playing a 1 o’clock game Danny. Because it’s the Washington Redskins. But you know you don’t you don’t vote me out there. I liked like the last two weeks Foxit that the dollars that we do a lot of clock game at all with the patriots. We get to change. It’s it’s not that if you unless you have more red zone that problem is resolved but yet you only get two games because this you only get one game in the in the 4 o’clock window. It yeah at all at 1 o’clock before you don’t gaining between. Like I can’t understand they can’t solve are exactly go broke they know if you would again. Like they can’t Connecticut can and other areas you camera apparently you don’t get the two games in the afternoon in the Boston area Jabber reds yeah reds on getting. But the commercial network yes and I don’t believe so badly. And I personally I like to watch all games to get into the well I don’t that is. The only you don’t get into the flow the other thing is you sit there transfixed. And you can’t move for like six straight hours of red zone. No surprise me why do I think it’s ironic that the NFL will do everything an apology scrounge every ball out advertising. Could it be a two minute warning escorted actual my. If you’re six commercials and again that the pool of 510 minutes. And then they did and why so you can get away from the. Abbott you’re paying eighty dollars a year believe me they’re collecting money hand over fast. I I play I think twice about advertising aside I’m trying to pull like public I think his door at some. Lucky nickel. That is interest and yeah. I don’t understand it yet and according to guide a bid to a page regain the last page again as you well know there was that Houston game three years ago and OK there was no red zone there obviously is a Monday night game where Sunday night game but the the problem is I guess now on the stadium’s red zone is on the scoreboard. So you can actually walked records are probably teams take on the field. Let’s see it you know so even last week with a patriots were playing it I actually wanted to watch the jets Oakland game that was sent. To the public that. They at least operated by. I I have no interest in the NSA whatsoever. Not until until activity do you want to play that would apply dot com I agree that I didn’t see any of the teams. There are counting the patriots who want it which brings me to this point Larry I would I would try to put commodity. It is then. If they take sixteen wins to get a lot data. Then that’s what it out. And it may be she didn’t speak but I you going week to week are you looking ahead and. I only two week I don’t take anything for granted Larry nothing. Did did did you just put in a way that that it now I think it’s more palatable for Larry and he loves things that are palatable. It. It may you may need sixty you know. I know what you got to keep pace what was going on right over Cincinnati I don’t know to go at it like going into the jets game. They went once eagle and that it detected once again that would have gone for a while god it was impossible. You’ve just got to keep pace and then and then when it gets to be sixteen and all. Automatically turned into in nineteen at all because. I can’t take an in eagle and. And it element I would love if that’s the worst thing that ever happened you did you’re in good shape. About it does it’s well I don’t put. But you don’t if you want I stopped at sixteen I think the patent and waved him oh yeah. I know we should really saying hey you know I don’t nineteen I know that this tomorrow’s game boy you. I’ll watch it Larry I could I guess I don’t take anything for granted I I don’t want one. What double play out here in the air this got me out a long time I spoke. Give me one possible. Any kind of applause the bull like she’ll say scenario where the patriots can’t win that game we don’t. Against against current. Policy away I got a blog it is the way and I’ll market saying it. What’s that way I’m not saying I mean obviously don’t watch the game but it it is you know. You take I did get a Levy put it this way you take a certain injury to a particular play or two. And all of a sudden it can be different called. At some delicate game I guess point out but but died but I don’t like talking. I know that that’s why I am not pounding out way ahead I’m taking one game at a time when. No injury and I’m not happy but everything quite you mentioned earlier write about it. Linebackers. Play at coming back it up it’s in an article in the plummeted. I hope like I don’t sit you don’t use your own defense from all right I’ll go home. Pops up on the abortion that got put you on the outside the guy who delivered the pot. And they knew you can’t depend on pure play on two corners. 22 and two it’s all women I have seen guys do it don’t work right to ask you bet it. It’s just gonna put plucked it out front and not quite actually that you can count on again I want it. I do what they Danny to begin running backs me show you west that Alabama LSU game tonight featuring let that format that I great running back from LSU he’s a truckload. Is it just taking it. You know ’cause they don’t have a number one tech as well I don’t care about running backs had nothing to show you could say the same thing about doing the opposite. As well offensive line you know the quarterback gestalt. Now I don’t know about that Friday tried to get Thomas before the trade deadline they’ve they’ve had a lot of personnel coming go and out offensive line over fifteen years and Tom Brady still managed — wouldn’t matter who the personnel themselves. So deep that thing is well no injuries and you gotta keep pace it would take sixteen when they get a lot seeing. So they can get. And you know Cincinnati now in play you really have to almost win out in you know he did may be. Not some people wanna think about this is a bad taste in everybody’s mouth as we well know but sixty you don’t may be what it takes three undefeated teams this late is this ever happened three undefeated teams this late day. In his car it would Cincinnati is that you don’t play them. So you have no control. Over that open that need to play didn’t pursue all that. Yeah I think Denver’s gonna lose before they play the patriots aren’t getting up. What I did defense man they don’t like to play with fifteen guys on defense. Now made Danny don’t count upon trees before the shipment comes and I always say it’s great motto Edwards slipped by one entree curriculum. Wow so that’s something you think about on November. On November 7 yes you want to brown leaves that’s right. You. This as a ploy to sell more palm trees is that what this is a blatant commercial effort that her palm trees for Christmas. Break any Atlanta I’m not a minor I think it’s a fascinating subject fascinating to let it go on and on bent or go to data the patriots got a little bit. And you’re bored with death and. Decorated to look at a restaurant it’s the New England so calm. It’s equivalent dank but anyways I spoke at a boarding they got my number one thing you know. That guy from mom. From the depart that was on your ball the actor ray ray wins don’t ray win stone right Nicholson’s assistant department. You have to do you hot and I definitely captain of the decade he went to go yeah that was. Mr. French. Danny do you ever go off when your cap you bring your captain on the boat when it got real mobile TV what are what are you asking Jenny what do you mean go off. Larry well. We’ll. I have a couple. At a good time here are some great merits not a new mommies literary of the astronaut love that six of us that do not try this at home so no screaming on the boat. Take it seriously those are complicated well people saying when you’re bringing good. Harding on the team. Is a way. Couldn’t only. Domestic box I have a complete sensitivity. Toward domestic violence it’s been pay. A very real. Or lifetime challenge for him and no that he needs yes he’s that. He’s our team. I agree with a lot of what Jerry Jones is singularity. I do think it’s complex it’s not it’s easy to sit here and just blast the owner blast Greg Hardy. It is socioeconomic. In a lot of ways it’s a lifetime issue he needs counseling he needs help. But you have to force him to conduct himself with a much better to Portman will recede so far. Both on and off the field bikers at dynamic of that giant was was right. It is outrageous the way he performed on the sidelines and this is a guy who’s catches a break. You don’t parachute team that way if you’re interested in redeeming in rehabilitating you have to be much more imperative about the kind of contact you expect. From this guy. Not just on the field but he started all very poorly. We deal chosen remarks about me talk about this guy Brady the widest divesting abuse he’s making excessive sex is not massages to comments about a warm you gotta be kidding me. I mean I don’t know what Jerry Jones the same this guy behind closed doors but it better be something more than just a that’s right I don’t understand this again bring their name a word prix of New Year’s and all day today this deflate Kate thing is. I grew Dell is just ups last Brit like the fugitive he’s just hook ups as the Tommy Lee Joey it just loves us. We’re getting Brady. And get all of these other things going on and it just makes the league look so bad and they just. I don’t know what the rest of the owners I know the old filthy rich and they can all this money and that’s all they care about. But is going to be some sane people while the I was saying OK guys guys wait a minute. We did we need to get the group together again and go over a seven steps of about the league they’re making money the ratings of better than ever I understand all that but. Nothing lasts forever to back to the phones John in the KP I’ve got Sports Radio. Good afternoon gentlemen John. Like you’re probably used to call Sports Radio to confront in. And ask questions about the phrase so. Pop the question I have this. It’s been in that on the station that ESP unit in the NFL you know you know they work on this show. I think someone and that’s why can’t you guys could a pretty level and the presidential during the week to explain your efforts and to me. The relationship between ESPN and NFL WEEI in the New England Patriots. The relationship. Currently everyone complaining on the station about the that it in a shell and found out our our our cliff notes and different between WEEI. In the patriot that relationship. And he has yet they’ve people work permit or on the show that are on this stage and you’re Julia Natalie. Come on it once a week with a weaker shot instead of asking about it while he had a death of a few years ago. Would the war immediate salted right on the outlets favorite color isn’t the funniest guy on the team you know Bob Kraft. In Belichick so that we would they would do in the investigation. Do you would the results will be playing comments on the X Uga Cordelia. Captive audience got a Mateen. I mean. You mean tourist I need an uproar well yeah I buy all their products in terms of their amber and I looked and constantly I’m a forty year Lipton. OK I mean you know I’m still I wanna talk like that the produce a molecular so during the week you still. The patriots. At the at the end and still don’t blow it. Seattle I just went impressed about me OK let us start we don’t have that much time but the rest of our pocket now back can’t help you calmly put the. Originally the assault the woman actually opt in an investigation into Sunday and Abu Maloney Christian or you want out. That’s pretty color it will be partly on the week. Reporter when who support partner. One can run. Questioned. The need to lie why you know. First of all what was the timeline between louima. Maloney in for area commend them at the show in my on the incident actually happened to couple two or three years ago and also. Greg Hardy incident in the middle every day and that’s an important to speak about they can die within walled. Paid off a woman that god is what’s up. But but the mental. Approach to complain that they ocean’s clock corridor in the Iranian Marx died that domestic issue. Swap. You know it’s not John I agree with you it’s something to think about IE I I do think we always have to knock question everybody’s relationship with the any. A sports team feel locally or nationally and ESPN’s case or. Our case here at WEEI but they also ideally people on the shelves on neat yeah they rip the patriots if something’s wrong I remember the patriots are rip some of the other teams aren’t so we’ll Greg Hardy get redemption and we shall find out thank you camp for that song thanks for the great job the other side of the glass. We’ll see you next week BC’s. Great game and.